Monday, July 13, 2026

Meeting will come to order. First order of business, I'd like to have a moment of silence. We lost a police officer over the weekend, Officer Mike McGee of the Middlesex Township Police Department.

All right. Meeting is in order. Is there... The first thing on order of business is reorganization for chairperson to replace Paul Ryan. Pledge. Oh, pledge. I pledge allegiance

to the flag of

the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All right. Now, the next item of business is reorganization to appoint a new chairman and vice chairman to replace Paul Ryan.

We can't hear you.

First item of business is to choose a new chairman and vice chairman to replace Paul Ryan, who left the board. I open the floor for nominations for chairman of the planning committee.

I move to nominate Tracy to finish out the term.

I second. So moved for me to continue as the chairman, and there's a second. Is there any other nominations for chair?

I move the nominations be closed.

Is there a second? I'll second it. It's been moved and seconded the nominations be closed. All those in favor of Tracy Gleim being chairman say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. All right, so now we need a nomination for vice chair.

I nominate Doug Graham.

Is there a second?

Second. Second.

Nomination has been moved and seconded.

I'm not hearing what they said. Second?

Second. All right. Is there any other nominations? I'll entertain a motion to close nominations. Move to close nominations. All right. All those in favor of Doug Graham for vice chair say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Motion passed.

All right. Is there any public comment on any items that are not listed on the agenda?

Okay, we'll move on to discussion and possible action on TPF 25-27.

Chair, may I have a motion?

Oh. Thank you.

I pointed one item to Zach before the meeting started, but it is on the third sheet, the third paragraph down. The motion made by myself for recommending approval of waivers, we all unanimously agreed as written, the first two sentences, but then there should be a second motion to pass TPF 25-28 based on the three criteria that are listed underneath that motion. So it should be broken into two motions.

All right, Doug.

I have another one here. Since we have motions that have similar names, particularly in the data center realm, I believe that we should have the official designation, the numbers on all of these motions.

So I'm... Whatever the number is, I'll have it.

That's 25-28. It is listed, but it... Where it says, "Motion by..., approval of waiver requests two, three, four-"

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I see it. It's

there. But then they don't list the second motion.

Yeah, I saw that, but I didn't see the 25-28. Oh, I thought there it is. But again, you didn't recommend approval. You made a motion. Yes, I... Yes, I made a motion to recommend- But it doesn't say here that there was even a motion.

You're correct. It's written very poorly. Very. Based off of what was stated that evening. We'll, we'll separate them out.

Make it... We'll, we'll separate it out and make it two separate motions.

And state that there... was a motion. State in all meetings separately.

Zach. Since we're using a new company to do our minutes, I have two suggestions with that. And one would be that when we have our agenda items, to include to state the names and the titles of who is presenting that particular TPF request. Okay. To include that with all going forward. And then to add page numbers, so because of the numerous pages that we have anymore, and that creates a ease of reference for discussions.

She wanted feedback too, so if any of you guys have feedback. I know she did it a little differently than what you're used to seeing. She kind of grouped public comment and it breaks the public comment down into different sections. So if any of you guys have any other feedback, that's good feedback.

We have... I'm not sure that it's correct, but we have a history of 20 years of motions where the title and number were spelled out specifically just for clarity.

Yes.

And that always seemed to work well, I thought.

Zach, one more change, is... What page? This, again, goes back to Rob and Andy for numbers to be used. It would be the fourth page, third paragraph- Yeah... says... Actually, now I just lost where I was.

Doug Graham move to approve.

Doug Graham. It was wherever it says about- Oh... after 1C, we wanted to go back to natural state and grading, and it says, "Without berm with street trees," but we said leave the berm because it's where the trees will already be planted on the berm. So I have to find where that is. It's the last sentence. Okay. Thank you. Thanks a lot.

Well, the third paragraph there regarding that motion. Again, we're putting waivers with the motion. They're all the same.

Do you know where the berm is?

They all need to spell it out. Yeah. You would like to get further formats that we've been using. She had a copy of them. Very helpful. All right. He

said he has time to review.

I make a motion that we accept the minutes as amended from discussion.

Second.

Moving second to accept the minutes. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Motion passed.

Now we move on to discussion and possible action on a preliminary land development plan for TPF-25...

Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Andrew Giorgione with the developer. Also Justin Ross with the developer, and we also have Pete... with Penny Design Group, who's the architectural firm, because we're gonna go through some of the architecture tonight. He's gonna do a presentation on that. Just to frame up this evening, this is for presentation purposes only. We're not asking for a recommended decision this evening. We're gonna come back on the 27th and make a further presentation on that evening. So tonight you have Campus 1B Final Land Development Plan that we're going to present on. As part of that, then, Pete's gonna do the presentation around the architecture for the campus.

Then we're also gonna cover Campus 3, and that'll be a Preliminary Land Development Plan, and that's the second one on your agenda this evening. I think that Justin's gonna start with a construction update, where we are.

And then we'll take question and answers. So I'm gonna turn it over to Justin to start working through the presentation.

All right. Thanks, Andy. We got all... Zach, we just have one TV out, but I think everybody can see that. So on the screen, you may have seen this before if you've attended the meetings, we have developed a website for construction and project related updates. So for the public or the commission, please go on. There's updates on there. We will continue to build additional updates in a cadence as time goes on. From a construction standpoint, we just wanted to take this forum to update. We know we meet with some of the township representatives bi-weekly now, on site, but for the public, we did have some community meetings most recently on the blasting topic.

But we do wanna start using this forum to help share and give updates. So what I can tell you is this Friday will be the end of 1A/1B blasting. The contractor has worked through that at a pretty aggressive schedule. And Friday should be the last blast for this initial phase. And then blasting will pause. There may be a shot or two as we go through the summer, when they get into some of the earthwork, some of the utility, but the repeated every day shots will conclude on Friday.

And again, I said the word pause. There will be another phase, end of year, as the contractor moves closer to Campus 2 or back towards the middle of the site where the stone pile is currently and kind of covers up some of those areas. So again, Friday should be the last shot for a period of time. If there are interim shots through the rest of the year, the notification system that's in place, the text, the emails, that'll continue to give updates as those come along.

Secondly, I'm not sure, I wasn't on site today, you may have noticed, some of the hauling is going to start again. That'll include some additional stone, as well as some topsoil material, that'll be kind of provided to some of the contractors locally in the community. So that is expected to again begin today, for a period of time now. It won't be quite at the levels that may have experienced a couple of months back, but it'll start to ramp up. And then again, as construction continues through the summer, you'll start to see a steady uptick in other materials and those sorts of things.

So if there's any other questions from the commission on construction. If not, we'll kind of roll into some of the plans.

Is 1A, is the grading complete on that now?

It is not. They have started bulk earth moving on 1A. I believe some has started on 1B to date. But there's a number of weeks, months yet of moving that material.

There was a question came up at the Board of Supervisors meeting, I believe, about the height of the one berm.

A little louder, please. Microphone please.

Oh, sorry.

There was a question that came up at the Board of Supervisors meeting about the height of the one berm

that the comment we got from you was the berm was probably higher than it was supposed to be. And did we find that to be true?

So yes, we took some shots. I would say half of it was within a foot or two, plus or minus. The, towards the eastern end, it was a little bit higher than per plan. We've talked to the contractor and, again, some of that material is stockpiled, some of that is finished condition. But we will make sure that that matches the plan and final condition once we get to that point.

That's fine. We just wanna make sure that we follow the plan.

Yep. Yep. All right. So as Andy mentioned, the two plans tonight before you as for presentation, final land development plan for phase 1B, which is Campus 1. This plan is essentially the same as what was approved in the preliminary plan stage a couple of months back. So we're not gonna dive into heavy detail, but certainly wanna show the campus again, talk through any questions, and then Pete's gonna take the lead on the building side, which is kind of the first time we get to see some three-dimensional structures here.

So again, final plan is the northern part of the campus. That's 1B. This is where the blasting, as I mentioned, is going to commence here. That has been completed and then the earth moving activities underneath the building pads here would continue to commence. Materially plan-wise, not really any significant changes. We do have some review letters from your engineers, a couple outstanding cleanup items, that we are working through. And really, we're starting to move into some final details on the building. So again, we don't really have any major presentation on this tonight. So if there are not any questions, like I said, we're gonna move into a little more of the three-dimensional elements to start to give a look and a feel for landscaping of the buildings.

Have you reduced the number of... the amount of water stored on site? There was some talk about reducing the number of tanks.

Yes. I think recently through the design, we started out I think with a few more tanks in the system. That is... Nick, could you ad lib on the number of tanks if that has changed? It's been reduced. But the plan shows, the

final plans now shows what is proposed for the site through final. I can't... I think there's... I can't remember exactly the... I think there's five and then two wastewater.

Yes. Yes. That sounds correct. I think it started out a couple more than that, but we reduced them over the last month or two with some final engineering.

Have you just reduced the number of tanks or the total volume of water? Are they all still the same size? They-

Oh, they got bigger.

They got bigger. We kept the storage around the same.

Oh, okay. All right. They're nine point four million gallons now. Yeah. And actually there's six for water. Now wastewater is smaller. So there's six two point four million gallon tanks according to the drawing.

You guys not done? Again, so the next part here, this plan, we've seen it many times now, is the phasing plan. The difference tonight is you'll see the arrows. So there's four blue arrows pointing from south to north. So these all represent viewsheds that we'll be presenting here. So just to kinda quickly orient. As you drive down Country Club Road towards the site and you pass Cumberland Preserve, you cross the hill, and you can kinda see north to the ridge line. Looking out over the site will be kind of the first view.

So if you're coming up Country Club Road, it'd kind of be what you'll see from that view shed standpoint. The second view tonight will be the main entrance. So when you get down into the bottom, near the turn near the stone house, that's really where the construction entrance lives today. We have a view from there kind of looking back into the project. The third exhibit will be the eastern access, so the second access point, which is on the... as the hill goes up and some of the residences on the right begin.

That'll be the third. Again, both the second and the third will be looking in the access. We don't have one kind of looking at the berm because you'll really just see grass and trees. But these are looking through the access into the site. And then the fourth exhibit that we have prepared is an image from internal, in the internal campus. So it'll be near the PPL substation, kind of looking back towards campus one, in that kind of northwest direction. And I'm gonna turn these over to Pete. His team prepared these. And the last thing I'll say is, you know, these are photorealistic, but we did use existing topography, proposed contour to grading, proposed building location, proposed landscaping.

So we layered in all the features that are in the design, and then they used that to build the model. So it wasn't just, you know, this looks good here and that looks good there. I mean, these are based on the CAD models and all the design elements that we have to date. So generally from a scale standpoint, they are proportional. Perspective standpoint, they are proportional. We can talk through that. All right. So I'm gonna hand it over to Pete.

Good evening. Good evening. Good to see you all again. Thanks for having me. I'm Pete... from Penny Design Group. So we'll walk through the four viewsheds that Justin just described. The first one being coming up Country Club Road, with the Hillcrest. As you can see with mature trees and landscaping to all proposed topography there, that's the general viewshed that we anticipate.

If I could just add here. So on the left behind the trees, you'll start to see some of campus three. Kind of in the foreground there on the immediate left. Campus two is kind of in the middle of the page. You can start to see a building cut out out here at campus two. And really campus one from this viewpoint is considerably far away. Maybe fifteen hundred feet or so from this vantage point. So it's back there, it's hidden. It actually sits below the topography of the substation being so far in the rear from this vantage point, that a lot of that is masked again with trees and the topography.

So on the right here would be one C, that's the berm I think we talked about in the notes. There's a berm behind that landscaping and these trees go up

in there. So... Yes. Again, this would be just past the existing woods on the left. This is on the left side of the road. That's where your black... where the fencing is right now. Correct. At the crest of the hill.

Okay. Got it. How many years do you forecast it'll take to look like that?

So we will be planting livestock that's six to eight feet in height. My assessment is these are probably twelve to eighteen feet. So I mean, this is probably a five to six-year maturity to get to this point, and then we continue to fill in.

Do you have copies of those for us?

We can certainly provide them to you. Yes. I'd be real pleased about that.

Sure.

When do you propose to start to fill that berm on the left?

So again, both of these berms right and left right now would be in the sequence for each of those campus. So when one C gets built, we would build that screen. The left, the same thing. When campus three starts to get, we build that screen. That's the current plan.

Justin, there's no berming of those country park road, correct?

That is correct. I think the modelers... Correct. I don't think that's accurate here. We should have a double yellow line and kind of swales on the side. But that's a good, good catch, Mike.

Yeah. This is... these might be published or seen by others. I think to avoid disappointment, it should be corrected. Yeah. And

part of that was we wanted to present tonight to get- Yeah... some final feedback. Hundred percent. Certainly, we'll get final copies to everybody.

Okay. So the next view you see here is the campus entrance roundabout. Off to the left, is that our one C campus?

So off to the left would be two, and then- I'm sorry, two... and then straight ahead would be campus one, one B.

Correct. Yeah. If you follow the road that kind of leads off the back of the page, and that goes over towards one B.

And the road to the right goes to the substation.

Correct.

We will let the board know our intent is to put these pages on the website. We didn't want to do that before they were presented, but if it's the conclusion we have at the end of the evening that you want it to have to be done, we'll be happy to do that. But we felt the need to be here first to present before we do that.

And then I think you need to correct that berm. Yeah.

To both.

Okay. Do you... This is still a roundabout, is it not? Or is it over-buzzed?

Sorry. We gotta get to civil here. We'll transition from buildings. So this is the eastern access drive, so the secondary access point, that goes into the PA Data Drive loop. So here to the right would be the PPL substation. Again, that needs to be included there on the far right. I think you'd start to see some structure above, but it's not in this rendering yet. We'll talk a little bit more about that. The building straight to the back is campus one B. So campus one, again, kind of tucks below that grading of the pad for the substation and the landscaping in the back.

And then off to the left is campus two. So this entrance, you go in, you can go right or left. It's really a secondary access point for egress. But it will give

a view between the berm, the town hall along the roads. One of the... if you're driving out Country Club and look left at this point, you would be able to see into the campus.

And I see a lot of grass between the road and the campus in the back. Is that to be mowed or is that going to be meadow, wild grass?

It's a good question. I think on the front area, so kind of what we're looking at in the front of building campus two, that's probably gonna be a little more manicured, you know, type of college campus type of feel in that foreground. I think as we get more distance between behind buildings, that starts to go to the meadow condition, you know, pollinators and annual mowing type things.

Hey, Justin, just a quick suggestion. If you could, with your cursor, just point to campus, the building in Campus Two and point to the campus, the building on Campus One B. Yeah.

So my cursor's over here on the left. This first two entries here- Mm-hmm... that would be the front facing building on Campus Two. Right. And then my cursor's over here in the middle. This would be the first building that's gonna be built of the six buildings on Campus One. Mm-hmm. And then, you know, the other... So the buildings in this scenario are going a long ways. You're kind of looking at the ends of the buildings. Yeah. So there's a building here, there's a building here, and then there's a building here, and they're all stretching away from us.

That's... They're all in One B? Correct.

Should... I might note those trees we're seeing there now, if they're planted at six feet, they're not going to be like that in another six years. Much s-

something special that really grows.

Okay.

Yeah. The two entrances, the intent is for those to be open to egress? Yes. Anyone could drive in there?

Correct. Yes. This will be a... The loop right around the substation is essentially a public road. It's gonna be privately owned, but it'll be open to the public, to a lot of PPL, other utilities. Yeah. And only at the entrance to each campus we have security. That is correct, yes. And a fence. Yeah. We haven't got to that point. I assume there will be some signage and some different things out front here. Those would be, have their own zoning permits for signage and those sorts of things, but that would be the only really change that you might see in this location.

I assume you don't have any renderings of the substation? We are working on that. Okay. Yes.

In this rendering, Justin, the substation would be in the foreground in kind of a blue-gray area. Am I thinking about that correctly?

It should be to the right. To the right

... yeah, the substation would be kind of sitting right up in here. Okay. Again, there's extensive landscaping really in front of the fences of the substation. So from this view, you probably don't even realize there's a fence there. It's a vinyl, black vinyl privacy slat. There's landscaping in front. What you would see would be the aerial structures, the cabling, the transformer height above that. So you're gonna see things protruding above the trees, but in different areas.

So is that

PA Data Drive is in the- Yes.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That looks like a nice one. Justin, since you've opened up about the substation, have you guys had any official talks with PPL about if they would agree to dark sky standards with y'all or any?

We continue to have talks with them. So the customer substations, the three smaller ones- Mm-hmm... will definitely have that. We continue to work with PPL to get that. We've escalated a few times. They continue to talk about safety and- Mm-hmm... we know they've done it elsewhere, so we'll continue to push for that. Thank you. For you guys. Yeah. And then... So then this last one, again, this is, you're on PA Data Drive within the campus. So to your left, and kind of behind is the PPL substation. What you would probably see here on the left might be a small piece of the customer substation that kind of sits behind those trees on the left, in that grass area.

There's a stormwater basin between that and the road here. And then this is looking back towards Campus One B. So, to Bud's point, this is where I talked before. So there's three buildings here. There's the eastern building extending towards the north. There's a central building to the north, and then the first building to be

built, is this building on the left here.

So these are the three front or southern buildings on Campus One that you're looking at from inside the campus looking back. All right.

Nice. We have... I have these since four, and then

I have. Okay. So on building architecture, the last time I was here before the commission, we had some preliminary elevations where we were working out massing requirements of the building, sizes of the buildings, and then overlaying the requirements of the township, which includes percentage of glazing over wall area. There's maximum allowable areas of placement of glazing, so you do have to distribute it. We were working through where that would be placed, how to mass the building, panel finishing of precast and of metal panels, and then also working through any other massing elements to break up the facade to correspond with township requirements.

So what is represented here is essentially several steps beyond what we heard last time. And we're meeting all the requirements of the township. We've gone back through really collaboratively with development folks and stakeholders to elevate this design more. Last time we were here, we talked about stone wall base or the possibility of doing that. So we went through, and we've worked with the precaster, and we're gonna have stone water tables on different parts of the buildings. And then also instead of doing metal clad screen walls that are at grade, we're going to do precast panels with a stone cladding on there that has a little bit more of a traditional feel, as opposed to more techy metal feel, I guess I would say, that you might see at other data centers.

So we took all that, as well as color palette. We're in a tan, and we're in a gray type of consideration, which is kind of where we were in the color palette last time we were here. And we just put it all together, and that added a little bit of additional design, what I would call upgrade. We didn't just put the glazing on the building where we need to put it to satisfy requirements. We've added eyebrows and belt lines to help frame it better and give a little bit more visual interest, particularly at corners of the buildings and on some of the long facades in order to help give more three-dimensionality, to the...

to break up the facades. You wanna-

Sure.

Yeah. So this is just another end of the building. Each ends of these buildings here, just to talk for a moment, would face that incoming roadway. So this happens to be one end of one building. This would be the other end as they're situated on the site. Just to talk about screen walls for a second. What you'll see here on the lower left-hand side that kinda goes away from us off the page is the screen wall that would be screening the mechanical equipment yard and equipment contained therein. The upper kind of on this view is a little striated looking, but the upper panels are a metal clad wall, and they are louvers that allows for airflow, but still conceals stacks and other types of mechanical equipment that go quite tall.

So we've put that combination together.

Is this the back... Was that the back- Sorry... end of the building? This right here.

Well, it's one of the ends of the building. It's one of the shorter ends.

When you say mechanical... Oh, excuse me. When you say mechanical equipment, that's the generators?

Generators, transformers. Correct. Okay.

And the stacks lock in the screen portion.

Right. Correct. The large screen wall conceals any kind of stacks that go up for heat or exhaust- That's what I'm looking at... release.

Yes. We're looking for a little balance.

This is just another view of the corner of the end of the building that we were just talking about. As I mentioned earlier, we took some care to wrap the corners of the building so that you get more three-dimensionality with the materials. You can also see on this particular shot the ribbons of glazing that are there to satisfy requirement for distribution and quantity of glazing. We also... I'll try to point it out here, the middle ribbon that connects these three tower bump-outs. That's been projected from the building to also give a little bit more plane distinction as opposed to more of a flat elevation.

So just to recap, these are buildings one and two. There you go. It's the four of these that we just went through, first two buildings on campus one B. So where is the generator yard? That's the trick. Behind that. So the generator yard, in this particular view, is behind this stone wall, and vertical stacks are behind this louvered screen wall. Louvers are upturned, so you can't see through them. And what's the height of the screen wall? The low screen wall is twenty-seven feet. That also covers any type of connection from the generators overhead back to the building. The overall screen wall for the stacks is on the order of, I would say, seventy-two feet.

It's about the height of the parapet.

Okay. So now you're looking for final site here? Correct. Where's the-

Just push the button.

Do you have feedback or want to see something else? So is this where you intend to land on this design? Because over the months, I've heard everything from that screen wall being seventy feet to now twenty-seven. So is this the final plan? I mean, is this where you're thinking you're gonna end up, twenty-seven feet?

Yeah. So there's two different height screen walls there, and we've intended to have two different height walls all along.

So explain that to us.

Show us with your cursor.

Sure.

So if I can trace over this stone area, there'll be a generator behind this wall. Yep. Right. Yeah. And then when you get to this area of the wall, there still is transformers and overhead power feeders that go to the building. But the upper area, if you can see my cursor in there, is where any kind of vertical exhaust stacks will go- Right... so that they're screened from the outside.

But inside that wide, you know, like that first, whatever that distance is, a hundred feet there... That's actually data center inside, correct?

It's open air. Oh, okay. It's generators and then there's access platforms, and there's doors to get out, and there's transformers closer to the building.

So the data center building, actual building starts at the first windows line.

Yes, sir. If you can see my cursor-

Right there.

So- That's the end of the enclosure, so to speak- Yeah... of the data center, and then it goes off to the right. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's just hard to comprehend. Right.

Okay.

So I can go into buildings three through six, unless you had other questions on buildings one through two.

Just for clarity back on that other one, please. So the low profile, the generators are sitting in there. Is that correct or not?

Correct.

Half, half of them.

Half of them. And the other half?

The other half is behind the higher walls.

Is it behind the higher walls?

Yes.

Okay, interesting.

Yeah, they tuck in behind the higher wall so that the exhaust comes along, and it goes up behind the higher wall.

Okay. Because when I look at your drawing, it looks like they're all sort of one line. Yeah. But you're explaining something different. That's where I'm confused.

Yeah. Upper screening wall. So the drawing shows the twenty-seven-foot wall. The upper screening wall is kind of midway in the gen garden, and it's kind of connected to the structure of the stacks and kind of splits the generators in half. That's not shown in the site plan. Yeah. Okay. 'Cause it's... That's a screening, a visual screen wall more than a site wall.

So that tall wall doesn't go all the way to the ground. It goes down to somewhere above the generators.

Correct. It stops at roughly twenty-seven feet.

Do you have a visual of the buildings that are back to back? 'Cause this building looks like it's freestanding when there's another one right against it, right? Correct.

We are working on those. Okay. So we've got to this point, we've got some of the- Right... renderings, but- Right... piling the rest of that is ongoing.

Generally speaking, for a working concept while we're talking, if you look at the upper left-hand view and the upper right-hand view, I know things aren't lined up, but that's a general idea of a kind of overall elevation, if you will.

Two different buildings-

Yeah...

beside each other. I mean, my basic overall response would be I think you've done a very nice job. I mean, these buildings don't look like a warehouse, whereas if you go down to Virginia, they look like warehouses with no façade.

Why don't you speak in the microphone.

So.

I can continue through buildings two through six, if you like.

Can residents ask questions?

Not at this time

no. At the end of their presentation, they'll open up for questions.

So on buildings three through six, which are a little bit different but similar, I'm gonna start with these views here. So we had similar design language between both buildings. We have different types of mechanical air openings on these buildings for air movement reasons. The bump outs here are larger because some of them are actually stairs instead of just faux bump outs like we created for the first two buildings. We really created them on the first two buildings to help have a similar language with these buildings. We've broke up the glazing again per township code and quantity and max level placement areas.

We've made sure that we have the corners of the building giving you a real three D sense. This one you actually do. There's a stair tower there. And then we've treated the ends of the building in a kinda similar fashion. Here's the end that we kinda spent some time on for the other building. Same general idea. The equipment layout's a little bit different, but it's all the same type of idea where you have an upper screen

wall, which is in metal, and a lower screen wall, which is all stone veneered precast panels. Same type of water base. Sorry, water-based water table, as well as precast materials on this building. So they're very much companions, but they are different for other types of operational requirements and just overall program updates.

Are the glazing actual windows, or are they just decorative panels?

Most of them are decorative.

Okay.

Is the edge of the grass along the road, is that where the fencing will be for security?

Yeah, the security fence is probably twenty-five to fifty feet off the curb line there. Okay, so- Yeah. Okay. Got it. But this is the, I guess the side, the rear, if you want, that would face the meadows and, you know- Okay... what you see

through that, the creek buffer there. Yep. And the fencing is still basically what you had shown a few meetings ago, a decorative, like a, looked like a cast iron type look or something.

Yeah, it's like kind of a vertical slat-

Yes... steel American Star.

Yep. And that's our next iteration here, again, to put buildings together on a campus, kind of to put the fence in, to really mock up exactly what you'd see from driving in, a couple different angles, different sides, elevation. That's what these guys are working on right now.

Okay.

When would we expect to see that?

Well, we apparently have to fix the curving first. Okay. No. Well, yes. We'll be working through what I would call campus elevation. So you can see buildings back to back, which is not too dissimilar from my talking point that I brought with me. So I would say things of that nature over the next week, we'll have them available. And I know before things go on the website, we'll want to get the roadway striping, and all that stuff represented correctly for the design.

Yeah. Our goal is for the next planning commission meeting to have a next step evolution of this. We're really held up trying to get the PPL substation verticals to build out an accurate model for those elements. So we're in the marks, but it's probably two weeks away.

And we don't necessarily plan more design changes as in, as if to say another iteration. It's more presentation materials and different views for the next meeting.

It's just adding in the pieces that are missing.

Right.

If we could, please go back to I think the first two of the street scenes. Sure. I wanted to put that in my records also. Are

they this one or this one?

No. Okay.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Next please. Thank you. So if there are no more questions on that, I'm gonna proceed to Campus III. But stop me if there's anything you want-

I like... I generally like those development buildings. The aesthetics of them are certainly better than those- Yeah... million square foot monsters that are going down there by the... Costco down there. Where the warehouses. So this looks a lot better anyhow.

Now, you said these would be on the website that you mentioned here first. What's the address of that? I did write it down fast enough. PAX- pax1campus.com.

Yeah. I think it's pax1campus.com.

It's all the way at the beginning.

Thank you. Zach, can we touch base tomorrow about posting? I just wanna make sure that the staff and the board is comfortable as to how we post those things. There are changes we might have to make. I mean, obviously, you know, you know, planning commission's already raised a couple of issues. I don't know if you want those fixed first. Just give us a little guidance. Maybe we go up now with what we have, and then as there are changes we'll keep updating them. I mean, does that make sense? But just give us some guidance tomorrow.

Okay. All right. So the second item on the agenda, again, is preliminary land development plans for Phase 3, is Campus III. This plan was actually submitted last November, I believe it was. It's kind of sat in the wings. HRG has done a couple reviews on it. We've gone back and forth, but this is really the first chance we've had or took to present Campus III. It was part of a master plan early on. It's changed slightly just as we've gone through permitting and design and layout, and end user needs, as far as this one goes.

So again, just moving through this. Campus III is the area in the pink. Is that Phase III? Yes. Campus III is Phase III. Again, it's the area in the pink here on the slide. It's that western tract, to the left of Country Club Road when you crest the hill. So this is an existing conditions plan. Again, Country Club Road here is on the eastern side.

I didn't really draw on this. Sorry.

On the eastern side, you know, it's generally an ag field. Going to the left, there's a drainage which separates Campus II and Campus III on this northern border. And then there's a couple wetland features out through there. That's been the biggest thing to date. There's a large wetland all the way in the rear. That was initially in the plan to put a stormwater basin over top of it. In many discussions with DEP, they kind of twisted our arm and said, "We don't like stormwater basins. We don't like wetland impacts for stormwater basins." So that was a modified design. I think we dropped part of a building to accommodate that.

There are some wetland impacts through the middle of the site. Some minor ones that they are in agreement with, and we're working towards permitting on that. But again, we did downsize this campus overall to meet their request. Again, this is starting to overlay the design elements. So in the center of the site, you'll see kind of five rectangles. The front rectangle really fronts or parallels the road to some degree. The back four rectangles are oriented in the other direction and kinda extend back towards the creek.

In the foreground at the front by Country Club Road, that is again another security entrance. It's one driveway, a couple lanes with guard shacks- Mm-hmm... coming in. There's also a secondary access that connects over to Campus One and Campus Two, the main cul-de-sac that we saw in our first rendering. So again, that kind of allows Campus Three to function internally without going back out Country Club Road and jumping over to another campus if it's one tenant for all three. But it gives that a dedicated entrance for day-to-day operations and delivery.

The... I'll try to zoom in here if I can. Yes. All right. Should've did that a little bit ago. There's more water towers. So this area on the right again is the security entrance coming in. This is that secondary access that I just mentioned that connects over to Campus Two and Campus One internally. This is the... a smaller, than most of the other data center buildings, again, to orient in that direction. One of the main reasons was the noise study that we did for the entire project. This building kind of buttresses that sound corridor for these other buildings, so that's why that is oriented 90 degrees.

One, from aesthetics. That's what you see from the road frontage. But two, it also mitigates some more of that sound that

that might project off of there.

On the south side here, this is an administration building. So it's a two-story office, again for operations, primarily for training, hiring, tours, and other just management of the complex. This is the first building that's... and it will... it'll be utilized for all three campuses for the user, so. Beside that to the left here again is this campus' water building. Similar tanks, tank layout. And these tanks, again, are slightly different than the first two campuses just based on building size, technologies and the like.

So I don't know that this is kind of final, final on tank sizes here, but it's pretty far in the design.

And the office.

Yeah.

Two points. Will

this-

Just, just this one.

Yes.

Back to where the campus was downsized from six buildings to five- Correct... because of the wetland issues and requests. Has the permits been issued yet from the DEP?

They have not. So we continue to... So as we submit this, we do need to submit the NPDES. There will be a direct permit submission for this phase, for those impacts and the mitigation. So there is a mitigation bank to purchase credits at a location regionally that will offset the impacts here. So we're required to purchase... So there's companies that create wetlands. They'll create 10 acres of wetlands in a location that's co-located, creates better habitat. And then in a small impact like this, which is a couple tenths of an acre, we will go buy two acres of their bank to offset these impacts.

So we'll provide-

So you're supporting

Essentially, we are paying them to build wetlands two, three, four times-

Nice

... of greater area than will be impacted. Hopefully I've said that clearly.

Thank you.

So if I understand-

Yeah. Yeah. So there are wetlands, there are high quality wetlands along creek corridors. There are lower quality wetlands that happen in a field because of soils and conditions. They're hydraulically disconnected from other features. So while there may be plant species and things that live there, they're not actually connected to the aquifer. So they view wetlands like this as a lower quality, but we still are required to mitigate. So we're gonna build pristine two acre wetlands through them that serve as the mitigation for these impacts.

So you're adding to the wetlands that you already have.

Yes. And all the birds will come through. On Clemson Drive.

Okay. Yes. That- Was... that wetland at Query's-

Yes... that replaces wetlands that was destroyed on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. That's an example of how it works.

Yeah. I'm familiar with that.

Okay. Now this... I don't know what else. The administration building and those array of tanks there, do they service the entire site or just this campus?

Just this campus. Well, sorry. The administration building would serve the entire project site, all three campuses. The water building and features here are just for this campus, so.

I have a series of questions that was part of it, in that there is no administration building in either of the other two campuses, correct? That is correct. And I assume that you're working on a street view, 'cause this is obviously the closest to the street, right? That you're working on a rendering of the-

Yeah, we will be.

The... if you look at the topography, it's hard from this image. That building sits probably sixty-five feet below Country Club Road. Okay. So it's really tucked into this corner. So yes, we wanna make it realistic, but from that vantage, you probably won't even see that building.

And this will be the third entrance off Country Club Road.

That's correct.

And that is... It looks like three torpedo tubes or security lights.

Yes, those are security lights.

Yes.

Okay. So you're saying with the topography the way it is, the

water storage tanks probably will not be visible from the road

correct?

They will sit well below the road. Yeah, with the berm and the landscaping, I do not believe you would see them. You may catch a glimpse if you're looking in the entrance when you're coming around the turn- Mm-hmm. Yeah... just from

that road, just from that location. So. Justin, can you back to the whole pink area? Yes. At the lower left, which would be the southwest corner of the property, doesn't that property line go straight down to the creek? Yes. Well, you have a... you're going at an offset. What's going in that corner?

Are you talking about this? Yeah. So this is just the edge of the page, sorry. The red line does follow the creek- Okay... and this goes back to the creek. So that-

And then now pull it down a little to show the creek. And so the green, where your cursor is, that's the original wetland, woodland area that's there now. Correct. So you have the pink area pushed clear almost to the creek. Now come back a little. Right there. That is the boundary of the original wetland and wooded area.

That is the current tree line at the back of the field, yes.

So you're gonna destroy that?

No. Okay. Our limited disturbance is close to these stormwater ponds. Okay. So we would be adding another couple hundred feet of reforested- Yeah... areas.

I was wondering why you show it going through back through the-

Yeah, I just... we just kind of highlighted the phase. Okay. Maybe this is- All right... a little bit better. All right. Yeah. That explains it. Yeah. All right. Yeah, so this area we talked about, around the wetland back here, this is all reforestation, the plus signs. Okay. So that'll all be really a new forest, densely planted, allowed to grow on.

And what's there now won't be disturbed, it'll be left the way it is. Correct.

Yeah. So appreciate your renderings provided. Very nice. But I think you need to add renderings coming the other direction on Country Club Road. So, because that site view is one hundred percent different. So it is what it is. And so as you're approaching the site, you got full scale, full view. I just think it'd be balanced to show both.

Sure.

You mean as if they were coming from the north?

Yes.

Mm-hmm. Yes.

True that. True. People are gonna go out there.

Sure.

Yeah. And we have that. We decided not to share it again 'cause it didn't include the substation. We didn't think it was realistic. Right. And we were trying to avoid misinformation.

Do you have to get a rendering? Can you get a rendering from PPL or not, of what they plan?

We have to create it.

But they will tell you what it consists of.

Well, they're giving us their design.

Okay. And then we're rendering all the elements, and that's why it's- So-... a little more tedious. Okay. Cool. Now your secondary access road there, I'm guessing it's gonna be like a key gate or something there for security purposes, since it's not a standard entrance?

It will, yeah. There'll be a swipe key access panel there.

For first responders.

Right. Yeah, for first responders, they'll have all of those access. Sorry, I forgot I had this when I was on the purple image. Oops. And the last thing on this is really, again, the stormwater basins. They're not... They're shown in blue, again, for visual representation. They will essentially be a grassy wetland area at best, likely just a grass mowed area. On this slide, there's a couple other features here I'll just mention. The original horse farm had tiled much of those fields to drain them. There's some pipe and inlets across a lot of these.

So in areas where there's pipe and inlets, and it was kind of an existing drainage way, specifically here on the top right, we're gonna be opening that channel up, making it more of a natural watercourse again. So right now it's in a pipe. We're not required to, as DEP is not giving us any credits for it, but I think we both agree that that's the best thing for the environment, best thing for this wetland really that exists. On the right side of Country Club Road, there's like a large wetland below one C. That is the headwater that then drains back between campus two and three to the

creek.

Part of that is pipe now, so we're just gonna open it up, which will allow that wetland to flow from one side of the Country Club all the way to the creek. So that's another enhancement that this phase will have in it.

They were installed back in the '40s and '50s, and they're probably clogged by now.

I haven't climbed in one, but...

Well, they're not that big. They're... A lot of it's four-inch clay- Right. -liner pipes. They clog. If you don't keep after them, bus cuts kind of helps crawl up in them and plug them. Sediment plugs them. Debris.

Yeah, and I think the last thing here, again, I mentioned it, we kind of loosely showed on the renderings, but this phase will have that berm and landscape screening along the frontage. It'll kind of follow the hillside up as the road climbs. But the majority of the view looking left, again, because the campus is sunken down into that phase from the roadway, you probably won't see much looking left. To Jim's point, the majority of this phase eventually you're gonna see- as you come from Bernheisel Bridge- Right... over, you may look over and into campus two or over into campus three, but we can definitely show that.

One other question. When you look at the existing berm that's in there today out in front of the substation and the other work, what's the reason for the break in the berm? It's not continuous. There's a break in it. What's that for?

That's the secondary entrance, isn't it? Yeah, I think so. Is it? Yeah, I... So the secondary entrance is about halfway up- Oh, okay... the turn. It's not an entrance today, but that's where you're implying at.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So that is the presentation for tonight. Any other questions? If not, we'll turn it back over.

I see the old house is still there. Is there any plans for that?

Comments again.

There's a drawing down here. It's just outside. It's actually in the way.

Currently, we have no plans to do anything, remove or... It exists there. We're working around it. We have some construction trailers there now, but it's really not on the plans.

I see.

Yeah. Yeah.

We had a connection between the historical society and PowerHouse to tour the facility to see if there was anything that they wanted to take from that building. So I don't know the status of that or if that meeting ever occurred. But there was... That was a battle in the back and forth with Lindsay over at the historical-

Along with that, then Tracy had asked a question about the old barns down there. Was there any action taken to salvage them?

So on the stone house, I know that meeting did take place. And the historical society essentially said that there wasn't enough value to...

for them to really be involved with anything.

On the barn side, our contractors reached out to I think all of the folks that Tracy had shared. Similarly, they had toured the facilities, and they didn't find value in what they saw. So that's kind of where we ended up.

Any follow-up? Okay. Any further questions from the board? Like I said, I... You have any? No. All right. Do we have any questions from the public-

Yeah

... for these gentlemen?

I do.

Yes.

Jody Shivell, Teaberry Drive. My understanding... Are you the Michael?

Is it Michael?

Just Michael.

Just Michael.

Just pull it down. Pull it down on Facebook.

Just Tilly. Just Tilly. All right.

Okay. My understanding is that you have permits for an existing pump station that was originally approved for the housing development. Is that sufficient for your capacity needs, or are you applying for more?

So the existing pump station is satisfactory for the domestic sewer flows for employees and equipment on site. What that does not... So from a sewage planning standpoint, that water is permitted. We do not need any more, and that's already approved, and the pump station is designed and actually half-built from the prior development to serve that flow. It was permitted for about fifty thousand gallons for the residential developments. We're using about thirty. With that said, what we are going to permit in addition is the industrial wastewater. So that would be the blowdown cooling water.

So the amount of water that's not evaporated in the cooling system gets discharged back to the sewer system. That is a separate permit because it's industrial wastewater. It's not sewage.

Is that the gray and black water?

Yes. Okay. So this is more of a... So the black water is permitted. This is more of a gray purple water. If you've ever heard that term before. That will be permitted.

Okay. So you have the gray and the black water coming from the site, and they're mixed on... Are they mixed on-site and pumped off, or do you pipe them separately to the treatment center?

They are piped separately to the municipal sewer system.

All right. And where are you in the planning process, and what agencies are involved with that?

So that's regulated by DEP. There are parts of that that go through the township and MTMA, as well as Carlisle Wastewater Treatment Plant. So those pieces all come together, and then DEP ultimately final reviews and approves.

Okay. And then the second question. In the heat wave before the fourth, the Department of Energy issued a decree that data centers needed to go off grid and use their generators for primary power. I think most of us heard about that.

I'm worried about the noise of all of that in addition to the noise from cooling mechanicals. You've cited supply chain concerns for the cooling equipment on two of the six buildings. I think that's in One B. It is possible that those supply chain issues could bleed over to other buildings. Would you commit to running another sound model to show the sound impact of all generators running and half or all of those buildings on the older mechanicals? Given what we saw this month, that isn't a crazy hypothetical.

So our design does include all generators and all equipment fans running. So we have modeled that condition in the sound study, which got to the numbers that we presented. So that's already in there if that would happen. From an equipment standpoint, that's one of the questions in HRG's review is really final equipment and specifications. That'll be forthcoming in the building permit, and if it deviates from the model that we've presented, we would certainly update that and ensure that, you know, the final equipment, the final mitigation matches what we've presented today.

And we're still running with the two and One B being the issue?

Correct.

Okay.

And I would say they're a different technology. They are modeled in the same way. It may be misleading to say that they're an issue. They're just slightly different from the sound level.

Yeah. It'll be up higher, right? Wouldn't that sound level be higher? So it would travel across right to my bedroom. That's kind of where I'm hearing it, you know. So the way it's set up for B and One B. Yeah. Okay. Thanks.

Vazquez Rosa, Country Manor West twenty-five. I have a question. Why One B... What is the propose for One B construction close to the community? What benefit the data center get for putting One B close to the community? Because data center have biggest spot, but they specifically putting One B close to the Country Manor West and the middle, more than Country Manor West. And we don't have any benefit with that building close to us.

I don't think it's an intent to favor one community versus another, one neighbor versus another. There are many factors that go into the layout of a site plan, from stormwater to access to utilities. So the layout is really driven by a number of engineering principles. And from the standpoint of close, we are respecting quite a large buffer compared to what is really required. We feel that that exceeds the buffer that's necessary for sight and sound and any perceived impact. So again, there are many, many, many factors.

It wasn't that we woke up one day and said, "We wanna put this as close as we can to these residents."

It's possible the 1B is better in this way because data center found the tenant really fast because it's attractive for the tenant. Because I think the data center don't have yet the tenant.

So we have not communicated the tenant. There is a tenant. We are actively in final planning engineering. We wouldn't be this far down the road on sound studies, building studies, architecture, without their input, so.

You have it already, the tenant?

We do.

Okay. This conversation is for February. Maybe it's irrelevant, but I want to read this. That's Phil Neiderer with Andy, or Andrew Giorgi- Giorgione. That's on February 19th, 2026.

"Let me jump to the end. Once the tenant transaction is complete, announce, announce them publicity, publicity, which I believe should happen next month." That's in March. "I am certain the tenant will be active in meeting and talking to the township. Jim Ger," I don't know if I pronounce good the last name, "said to me at open house when held last year. You can ask him, but loosely he said to me the key, the key to this development from this township, first step is going to be making sure the tenant follows the law, has built and operate nice building, and treat the township fairly."

I think the tenant what you found, or if you have already, don't treat the municipality fairly, because a lot of residents have consequence with that construction, and specific the community around the 1B building, the front data center for blasting, for utility, for water, for everything was damaged for this construction.

This construction have a lot of irregularity, and I don't understand what the planification commission continually listen what this data center representative said. We wanna see real history. We don't wanna see the movie screenplay history. A lot of resident is affect with that construction, and we continue verify paper by paper, request right to know, and found every conversation, irregularity, DB, everything, because a lot of resident is involving in this situation.

Evening. My name's Jason Bulock, Goldenrod Drive, Carlisle, lifelong resident of Cumberland County, business owner. I just, you know, I'm not here to ask everybody questions. I know we don't have time for that, but just by a brief show of hands, could anybody show me if they're aware of the article written by Cowboy State Daily, "Cheyenne Won't Take Data Center Wastewater After Meta Contractor Contaminated System"? Anybody read that article? Well, it was written on July 2nd by Kate Meadows. It's published on cowboystatedaily.com, so you can go read it for yourself. They discovered a rare bacteria prior to the operation of this data center.

They were cleaning out cooling systems into the wastewater system, and a rare bacteria that has caused deaths, has caused serious illness in people, and continues to, was found. So my question is, what's being done to mitigate a repeat?

What I can tell you about that site, I have read that article. That site utilizes cooling ponds and, I believe, leaching ponds that are external. So the water is discharged, and it goes out really and sits in lakes on site. So most of that virus or spread of occurred because it was outside, propagating in the environment. That's different from this site. Again, this is going to storage tanks with clarifiers, with testing and sampling wells outside of the campus, and then it's going to the treatment plant. So I think those are two different types of disposal systems.

But I don't disagree. I mean, it occurred. There's evidence of it, but I think we're at a different environment with this site. I mean, just

just for scale, if you don't mind. This data center is roughly a fifteen billion dollar project, correct? Overall, the whole project, fifteen billion is the total scale. Is that right?

Yes.

Roughly? Okay. So I mean, just for comparison, because I don't think people quite understand numbers in the room maybe. Ravens Stadium costs less than two billion dollars to build. This is a fifteen billion dollar project going in. This is a major construction project, the biggest data center that the world has ever seen, as far as I know.

Mm-hmm.

The one that leaked this contamination into the wastewater system in Cheyenne was a tenth or no, less. It was under a billion dollar project that contaminated the city. So I think that for a project of this scale, before we go voting on things to go forward, we should have all bases covered for the safety of the public. I drink that water, not often, but on occasion. I try not to. But truthfully, every now and then, my coffee's made with this water. So I, as a resident, wanna know what's being done to mitigate that.

I don't know that you're correct. I don't know that you're incorrect either. So I just wanna read the beginning of this article 'cause it makes it sound a little different.

"Cheyenne announced Thursday it suspended taking wastewater associated with data center systems after a Meta contract contaminated the city's wastewater system."

Sounds like it got into the system, you know, not just the pond.

"Prompting months of cleanup. It is a very, very unpleasant surprise," said a city councilman. "Cheyenne's Board of Public Utilities isn't accepting industrial wastewater associated with data center systems until further notice after a contractor for Meta platforms contaminated the city's wastewater system, prompting months of cleanup."

So my question is, what plan do we have in place when that happens here? 'Cause it's gonna be on a different scale. Could be years of cleanup.

They don't have permission to dump it yet in Carlisle.

Well, and the other thing is they carted the water off site is, was their remedial solution to this problem. So is that gonna be your solution to the problem, or your client's solution, or whoever you're talking to?

They're providing any vapor.

I'll assume there's no plan.

Thanks. They don't have response because Carlisle don't provide any vapor, don't show any berming, any connection. They talking. The connection go to Carlisle, but Carlisle don't provide any-

Hey, if you wanna talk, come up to the microphone. You're done.

I'm talking because-

You've lost the microphone. You're done.

I'm explaining something. You guys should say that.

Yeah, and I mean-

Is that true? You know why that is true?

Is there... Oh, I'm sorry. I'm familiar with the forums. This is my second meeting, so do I get another opportunity to comment later? I know this is just a question.

Sir, may I ask, are you a township resident?

I am indeed. Okay. Golden Drive, Carlisle. Okay, thank you. You're welcome.

They don't want any of the truth. Do they have permission to dump it in Carlisle?

Do you have permission to dump in Carlisle?

Thank you.

Yes.

Sorry?

It goes to the wastewater treatment plant. Yeah. At Carlisle's plant here in West. Right.

My question is, if it were contaminated, is that where it's going, or do you have a plan to deal with that? Because it's part of the construction that this happened, and I'm not bringing up operations. This is a construction phase clean out of these systems prior to operation, so I think it's relevant to the discussion we're having here today.

It's gonna be in a wastewater tank. I'm sure these guys would probably fill us in if there's any kind of testing done prior to discharge.

My question isn't the testing, it's the remediation. You're gonna lose that water. It's gonna get carted somewhere else, from my understanding. That's what they did here. Where did it go? Nobody knows. But you're removing it from our system. We're already in a drought. So what's the plan? I'll assume we don't have an answer.

Hi. Jocelyn Colyer, Bernheisel Bridge Road. So can you tell me how many square meters of glass there are total in all the buildings?

I don't have that.

A guess?

3% of each of the three facades. Which is? I don't know. I'll find out.

Okay. 'Cause I guess I appreciate you wanting to make the building look nice, right? But I'm very worried about the energy efficiency of these buildings, number one. I know there's gonna be glazing, but it's still hot. That's not an efficient solution to that many windows. And is there an energy study based on that design, on the design you presented tonight?

Most of the windows will... Just to answer your question in a couple of sections. The amount of glazing is required by the township ordinance.

Right. I understand.

Most of the windows don't actually have a functional opening behind them.

Right.

So there is really no energy loss with the way the building performs. But the glazing is on the outside of a solid wall.

The sun still penetrates. Okay, so it's a big window, but the sun is still hitting it.

Yes, sun hits it.

So you're using a lot of energy to cool, correct?

No, because the heat bounces off windows. It doesn't go through the mass wall of the building.

Okay. It

reflects outward.

Okay.

And yes, there are energy reports that are done for the building envelope.

Are they available to the public, or this is not something-

Not at this time.

Fair, yeah. Okay. The screen print. And I guess the other question with the windows, are you using efficient glass?

We use tinted glass, which is more efficient than clear glass. We don't do insulated glass units- Okay... since we're basically laminating this on the outside of the building, we're not going through the material costs of doing four layers of glazing like you might have on a commercial building. So they're primarily like one layer of glazing.

Okay. And are they bird safe windows?

Are they bird safe windows?

Yeah. Well, we don't have a frit pattern on them, but we also don't have trees around the building. Quite often, trees next to expanses of glass start to create reflections of birds thinking there's more trees that they can fly into. So we don't really have any foliage around the buildings, which is one way to be bird safe.

Okay. Well, I just noticed on the picture that you said was facing the meadows, there was a lot more glass on that side. And you do know that Kittatinny Ridge is a global bird migration route, and so we have birds. And in prior meetings, it has been discussed how you're gonna use native plantings and do all these things to be cognizant of the wildlife. So I would ask that you consider using bird-safe windows if you're... You're taking all these steps to save the wildlife, but then you're gonna kill them by the buildings? I'm just pointing that out. And then also those stacks, the twenty-seven foot and the seventy-two foot.

So I understand, I appreciate that you wouldn't have to look at a generator, and I understand that that again is for looks, which is appreciated, thank you. But am I right in understanding that this is not very efficient, and it will increase energy consumption by putting those stacks there?

I don't believe so.

There are studies. Okay. Well, okay. I'm gonna defer that you're the expert, but I would ask you to look into that because it seems like maybe you might check into that.

And then, so in regards to finalizing 1B, do you have an update on the status of the deficiencies on the current permit applications? This is like for Justin. You're up.

Sure. I totally follow that question.

So the deficiencies on the permit applications.

Okay.

That way you know what I'm talking about.

Which, which permit?

Mostly the stormwater. The NPDES permit. Yeah. That was out. NPDES. That would be my comment.

So I think if I am... Deficiencies by inspections of the construction site, that would be the only deficiencies that- Well, the basic- I don't have a copy with me here, so I guess I don't know.

I only brought a couple, sorry.

Just a quick question. Is this the... You're referring to the November 18th, 2025 letter from Cumberland County Conservation District? Yes.

Some of it, yeah.

Incompleteness letter sending for incompleteness review. Yeah.

So this is one of the first permits, filed last fall. This is for the water main relocation. So this would be... The process is you submit an application, there's a completeness review. So do you have all the permits? Do you have the permit fee? Do you have the plans? Do you have all the supporting documentation? So the conservation district reviews that list, provide a letter, and I think in this, well, the completeness letter, basically they're saying, "Hey, we need this, this and this," right? Mm-hmm. So that was provided. There was a subsequent letter then that addressed technical review comments, and this permit has been issued.

So then each permit submission goes through that same process. So the water main had a permit, the PPL laydown-

So the water main permits, the fifteen deficiencies on that were taken care of? Yep. Okay. And the eighty-one deficiencies on the phase 1A, 1B plans were taken care of?

Correct. Yeah. That's a typical review- Okay... comment response.

Okay. And then I guess I would just say, too, there was an informal hearing with DEP held July 1st with some of the residents, and we're going to hear by the 16th. I mean, would it be in the township's best interest to sort of put a pause on this? I would suggest, I would ask that you wouldn't approve the final land development until we hear from them.

We're not taking any action tonight.

Okay. Good. Great. And then I guess one other thing. You weren't very clear. Has there been approval by Carlisle Wastewater Treatment Facility to accept the water under the current permit that's residential? The waste, the purple, gray water. Whatever you said.

So yes, that is in MTMA, so Middlesex County's jurisdiction. They have an allocation. They have discharge standards or requirements that need to be met. So it's actually approved by Middlesex Township Municipal Authority, and Rory has been meeting with the other treatment plant just to keep them updated, but it's actually, in fact, MTMA's jurisdiction.

So Carlisle does not have to agree to take this-

As there's an existing agreement in place, so as long as the flow- But that's for residential... as long as the flow is less than what they can take, and as long as the industrial pretreatment discharge standards are met. So as long as that is met and compliant, that water can flow.

I know. Okay. I would just hate for you to build a facility, a building that they can't handle, and then we're stuck with this thing. That's a concern of mine, personally. And, you know, I do have a right to clean air and water per the PA Constitution. And if we're rushing to approve things that have had some violations then that maybe haven't been accepted yet, is Middlesex gonna be held liable? The taxpayers are on the hook for any lawsuit. I'm just very concerned about the position we're being put in. So thank you.

Hi, my name is Lynn... I'm from Countryside Drive. And I just had three points here.

One is having to do with the renderings. They're lovely, but there's only one thing in any of the renderings that's actually real in the environment now that I can see, and that's the mountain. So my first question, are we gonna be able to see the mountain from Country Club Drive?

Country Road.

Road?

Yes.

I'm sorry, Country Club- Country Club Road. Yes.

Yes. From various

various points on it

yes.

Okay. So the other thing is perspective. The picture's only... Your renderings are only of the buildings, the trees, the grove, whatever. There are no people. There are no cars. So it's kind of, when you look at it, it... Do you consider it deceptive? Because there are no perspective at all. Yes. Would you consider putting perspective in the next set of renderings?

Yeah, I think we can work on that. Again, it wasn't meant to be misleading. It's just the evolution of the content. We wanted to get it here as soon as we could, but those are, I wouldn't say pretty elements, but those are additional elements that go into those renderings as they mature. So we can certainly take that into consideration.

Okay. I think maybe, I don't know whatever the planning commission thinks, but can you commit to doing that today? Would you? Sure.

Yes.

Okay. Thank you. The next thing is having to do with the mitigation credits that you were talking about. You may have said where that's gonna happen. I didn't hear it. There was some discussion when we said where, where.

Yeah. So DEP has regionally approved wetland mitigation banks. Again, they're private companies that build off-site wetlands in different stream corridors. There's a whole DEP protocol for when you can use banks, where they must be, what watershed they have to be in. So again, that's all part of the permitting process that we're going through before we can dig those wetlands up. So I don't have a specific bank offhand, but there is a bank, it's contracted for. It's within the local watershed, to support nearby ecosystems.

All right. So they're gonna make a... They're gonna improve an ecosystem somewhere else in Middlesex Township?

I don't believe it's specifically in Middlesex Township. It's in the watershed. Mm-hmm. So there's different watersheds throughout the state. So the- What is our watershed?

All the way to Chesapeake

Bay. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's the Susquehanna Valley Watershed, which goes all the way to New York. There's some watersheds that are, you know, between Mechanicsburg, Carlisle, kind of really like Conodoguinet Creek Watershed. And then each small stream is broken up into different watersheds. But again, that's regulated all the way to DEP.

Okay. Is that kind of like carbon taxes that kind of- You pay for it here, it goes there. It's

a moni- Yeah. You could think of it- Elusive? You can... Well, it's not elusive. Again, this is a... You can- Okay... you can go visit the site that we dedicate towards this. And that site has long-term, 10 to 25-year monitoring, maintenance, upgrades. It is a pristine created wetland environment for good habitat. And again- Is it a wetland? It's... You know, we're saying there's a wetland on site. It is in the middle of an ag field. If you didn't find it in the wet season, it would be plowed under, it would be planted with corn and soybeans.

It's not what we really envision as a wetland. But being conservative, we identified it because there is a soil type that could create a wetland. But right now, it's farmed through, it would be tilled through. And there's really not much value in it from my perspective. So we are offsetting that-

Value to whom?

To wildlife. Again, it is an agricultural field. So it's not what you think of as cattails and lush frogs and different things. It looks like a little bit of a dark clay. When it's wet you can see some footprints in it. But it's fallow. There's almost no grass growing in it right now.

So it's often seeded.

If you will classify it as a hydric soil. Often seeded. Yes. It's a hydric soil. And again, when there are high water tables, you get some water that pools there. But this time of the year you'd walk right by it. You wouldn't even leave a track in it. Okay.

And is there a way that we can hold

you to what's going on with the DEP and- You can ensure that DEP is holding us accountable. They've had multiple walks. We delineated two years ago. We took a walk with three of their representatives three months ago, to double-check that nothing has changed in that time. But you're welcome to call the regional director.

The other thing is, you were asked about the historical society and if they had a problem with the old stone house. We lost an old stone house in- Was it Middlesex Township? I think... I think it is. Yeah. Yes, yeah. Because no one did anything. And I just wanna say, if we're asking them those questions, you should provide us proof that that's what the historical society said, just to keep anything from happening that happened previously with, on Route 11. Yeah. Yeah. The tavern that was taken down, obviously it was not a tavern. I think that would be appropriate, that we should hold him to that and prove it instead of just hearing what he's saying.

Great. Thanks so much.

Earl Beam, Country Club Road. Thank you for your time. Your presentation with the picture of off of Country Club Road and around about really looks great 15 to 20 years from now, but in the next five years it would be nice to if we saw a photo of what it's actually gonna look, what we the residents on Country Club Road are actually gonna see.

Yes.

I think everybody, those trees are never gonna hide nothing in the next five to 10 years. Yes. And a hyper safe bus here wouldn't be able to be live at that point. That's true. Second thing, you said more about more construction trucks moving in and out. Well, this afternoon from after 12 o'clock to this evening, like I'm down the road, it's 6:20, you got large rocks laying in the middle of the road there, 30 feet up from your entrance- Mm.... going in. I thought that we said in the meeting one time that these roads are gonna be cleaned off, the sweepers all the time.

But, you know, if I had a store that was on my portion, somebody's gonna be buying new tires.

Yeah.

I mean, that should be your obligation to make sure that road is safe for us to drive.

I, we appreciate that feedback. That'll be the first call after the meeting to ensure that that's-

On that bridge, from, I guess the last one where you put a bridge across to the other side, is that gonna be a bridge across the wetlands there, where you show an access road going from the parcels?

Help me a little bit where you're talking.

Well, where, I guess that was from phase three over on the other side, the administration building, where about have access road across, 'cause right through there is wetlands. Right there is a stream coming down through.

Yeah. So there will be a small culvert that's across the channel in that place. So yes, the driveway will have a culvert, probably an arch culvert, with an open bottom. I think they did that on the eastern side of the site, for the driveway.

Okay. The only other thing, at the last board of supervisors meeting, I brought up about hours of operation because people were concerned about Country Club Road was... Did anybody actually take time to look into that? Because I got scolded when I stood up to tell them the hours of operation, 'cause nobody knew here. We sat here in a meeting, and it was stated the hours of operation were 7:00 to 5:00, the gates be shut at 6:00, by lock by 6:00 PM. Well, I'll tell you what, I'm out at 5:30 in the morning, 6:00 o'clock the operation's started over there. There's four cars over there.

Tonight at 6:15, they were still excavating on the top of the hill over there. So if that's what you told us, something's wrong. Somewhere along the line, the township's not doing their job making sure this is met, or you was misrepresenting what your hours of operation are. Well, all right. It's not one day, it's every day. Mm-hmm. Saturday. So Saturdays they've been working basically from 7:00 to noon and

7:00 to 3:00 o'clock over there.

They said there was no work on Sundays- Yeah... and holidays, which we haven't had on a Sunday and a holiday. But you're not holding up to your hours.

My understanding is through the construction meetings with everybody involved in the project, it has been 6:00 to 7:00 PM, Monday through Saturday.

That's not what's stated earlier this year. It's

not.

Go back and check the minutes, okay? The next thing is, I have an outside people come in and take heights of that berm out there. Our 12-foot berm is 18, 19 foot across from my house. Correct. It is planted and grass. But it'd be nice if somebody come out there and took that down. We ask about seeing the mountain. All I see is dirt.

That will be, in the final condition, that will be lowered to the, per plan. Again, right now, I mean, the contractor can utilize the site for stockpiles and other things. We put it there to help block construction noise, visual impacts, dust. And they may have increased the height to accommodate those things. Again, it's a perception at this point, but as we move towards the end of the project, it'll be final condition.

Well, it's not perception when you sit here every day and look out, and that's what you see when you can't see the mountain anymore. The last thing is, this is a $15 billion, okay, $15 billion. And here we sit on Country Club Road, four residents, most of them are past 65, thinking about retirement. And what have we got received out of fifteen billion? The states received money. They got congresspeople, they got representatives getting money. They got townships getting money. And what did we get out of this? I think if they got certain... If you people are gonna be nice to the residents, you wanna be so social for us.

What did we receive?

Nothing. I wish you lived where we live today, and you tell me you would be happy. Any of you sitting in here that doesn't live on Country Club Road, how many wanna live in my house?

Nobody wants to live in my house. Nobody wants to see the dirt. My cars sit out there with the tops down, and I gotta clean them every day because of the dirt, which I never had before. I didn't have the noise every day out there. I had peace and quiet. But yet this township lets this go, lets this go. And yet you're taking care of the rest of us.

Kyle Gerber, Bernheisel Bridge Road. I had a lot of time for renderings of the site, and so I really appreciate you guys presenting that. I do agree with Jim. If we could get renderings of what it looks like coming from the opposite direction on Country Club Road, I would appreciate that. Question on the renderings, though. Do you know the approximate focal length that they were simulated at?

That all we can find out.

Okay. 'Cause they look a little bit tight to me. If I had to guess, they look right to be around, like maybe a hundred millimeters, maybe a hundred fifty. And the human eye is more like thirty-five to fifty, which means as a human stands there and looks, we capture a lot more. Somebody said, like, perspective. We capture more perspective than I think what those renderings are currently communicating. So if we could follow up on that, I would appreciate it. Second question. I guess a follow-up. You will be providing views from the two Appalachian viewpoints that were mentioned, the Bernheisel Bridge crossing and the Blue Mountain Lookout?

Yeah. We will. The Blue Mountain Lookout looks southeasterly and does not look out over the project. That is incorrect from what the ATC has pushed us for.

We've responded accordingly.

So you can't see the project site from Blue Mountain?

That is correct. The angle of the clearing and the location of the trail, again, looks southeasterly more towards Harrisburg as less towards Carlisle. So if you look at images, and we've presented this to ATC, the tree canopy on the ridge just masks the direction of the site. And then secondly, yes, we are working on rendering visuals from Bernheisel Bridge.

Okay. Awesome. Thank you. One last technical question. Do the cooling fans operate at variable speeds, or do they have a fixed speed? I believe they'll be variable. They will be variable. In that case, just to confirm, the sound study that was performed when all generators were running full tilt, when all cooling fans were running full tilt, were the cooling fans actually simulated at running at a hundred percent capacity, or was that a lower percentage?

So the noise study simulates the output maximum potential for that unit. So those come from manufacturer. But in this case, until we have final cut sheet and final specs, there's maybe three to four different types of units that could be viable. So it's assumed to be the loudest, the heaviest for structural loading, the largest for openings and different things. So it's a worst case condition that is modeled, because we don't have that final criteria. Again, as we get into building permits, we'll refine sound models, we'll refine all those acoustical elements. And in a prior meeting, we have committed to post-construction sound studies to ensure that it's in full compliance with the new albedo.

Okay. So just to clarify, you look at worst case, at worst case, possible equipment in, like, operating in, like worst case conditions?

Yeah.

Okay. Thank you.

Hi, everybody. Arlene Darlington, seven five zero nine, Wortzville Road, Carlisle. Justin, thanks for being here and answering our questions. I continue to learn. So thank you. And to that end, project timeline. Do you have a project timeline that could be shared on one of these slides or posted to the website? And the reason I keep pushing for this is because I think, I know for myself and certainly the folks that are so close to this project physically, I think there just needs a little bit of peace of mind in having the information and knowing what's happening this quarter.

You know, maybe not this week, but this month or this quarter and, you know, maybe they wanna make plans or just so we all can know. I mean, we talk about this five-year timeline, but, and you just mentioned about bringing the berm back down at the end of the project. Well, when is that? Is that five years from now? So

I don't... I've asked it multiple times. I think I asked this of your colleague. Was it Nick who was here last time? So I'll stop, and you can speak.

No, I think it's a great question. I guess, what I... We'll talk to the team. I think that's something we can certainly put on the website that we've created- Mm-hmm... for information. I do like the idea of a quarterly- Mm-hmm... schedule. Maybe we can do a very rough kind of- Mm-hmm... long-term. The challenge with schedules is when we put it out, people take it for gospel. Permits change, different things change, and then nobody likes change. So I think we can meet you halfway. We can get a little more refined over the next three months, four months- Okay...

so that there's clarity there, and then we'll continue to update it as we go.

And you know what? I think that's fair. And as a project manager myself, plans change, resources change, weather changes. I mean, it so happens. So the average person's gonna be reasonable and understand that. Anybody who's gonna hold your feet to the fire to exact day is really not being reasonable. But I agree. If we could kind of get something started, get people looking to that, and then I think it will actually cut down on some of the questions too. Or maybe the questions might be more targeted or... Anyhow. All right. That was one thing.

We've had the... one schedule been on our website for months now. The high-level schedule that goes out to the end of the project, it's been on our website for months.

Okay.

That's nice.

It's on there. It's right on the homepage. Scroll towards the bottom.

It's not. And it's gone too. It's really not.

Likely the project manager, no offense, is going to have something a little bit more detailed. It is on there. Oh, it is from them? Yeah. Okay. All right. In the cooling process for the generators that will be used in these buildings, and this question came up months ago, probably February. We're talking about the approved... the, when the blowdown water, which is concentrated, I asked a question about what chemicals would be used in the cooling process, and I'd like to ask the question again. What chemicals would be used? And I'm kind of thinking that several folks have brought up DMTMA and their ability to filter and neutralize what's contained this discharged water.

So...

Right. So in the current design, I remember that question. So there's a couple things. We have hard water. So the municipal water system is a hard water system. It's hard water, and then they also chlorinate the water just for bacteria and the like. So the current potable public water supply to your house, to our site, is a chlorinated water, and it's hard. So we will continue with the chlorination, again, just to keep it at the same level, ensure there's no bacteria developing on site or in any of the tanks.

And then from a hardness perspective, there are a couple processes to soften the water. So there's ionization. There's what you might have as pellets in your house. So there's a couple different technologies. That technology isn't a hundred percent set on which one's being used. But again, they're all treating the water to pull out or reduce those mineral contents. Beyond that, there are no additives that I am aware of- Okay... in the system.

We did talk about scaling at one point. But

from a design team standpoint, that's all going to the stainless steel equipment, a higher grade stainless steel equipment to ensure the anti-scale factor of that. So again, at this point, there are no additional chemicals. Okay.

Cool. Thanks. Heat. So we've talked about noise a lot. What about the overall heat that comes off the top of these buildings? I know that they generate heat, so can someone make a comment about that?

Mike.

Do you have anything? Well, generally speaking, the roof is a light-colored material. So that reflects more heat back off as opposed to sinking it with, you know, old school black roof. But I don't know the heat that comes off the top of the building.

So generators and the two buildings that have fans, fans will not be creating heat that has to go somewhere. I mean, it's energy. It has to go somewhere.

Oh, yes. Heat is exhausted, but I don't know what the temperature of the heat is as like by way of study.

Does the planning committee have any concerns about that? The heat that's coming off these sixteen ginormous buildings, two hundred by nine hundred by seventy-two to eighty feet tall, all in a cluster. Heat coming off those buildings, what it's going to do potentially to the environment. Does anyone on the planning committee have a concern?

Are you thinking about the process heat or the heat from the buildings themselves?

Oh, anything. Any heat that comes off the buildings is gonna change the environment.

The buildings are gonna be very much like all the other massive warehouses we have around here. They're gonna produce the same amount of heat. The process heat will be very more. We don't know about that.

We have fans and heat pumps. Six to ten degrees tomorrow. And six to 10 degrees tomorrow.

That's what I thought. Yeah. I read 16 degrees. I'm not really satisfied with that answer. And I think the planning committee should be a little bit more curious and maybe press the developer for a little more detail on that. This is our environment. We're living there. This is not on... We're not in an industrial area. I don't care what's happening down here, I care what's happening in my backyard.

Okay. Campus 3, which we call Campus 3 and Phase 3. So was that the first time we've seen that other than back in November? I seem to think that it was kind of like new, reintroduced to us tonight.

Yeah. The advisor went to the township- Yeah.

Right... but the first time we've- But we haven't really talked about it in detail. Okay. I'm just curious. I believe that that's the environment in which the eagles inhabit in that area. Was that included in your EIA report?

It is. I did forget to mention that. In that image, there's a setback distance that we are withholding. So we're not doing any disturbance within 640 feet. Don't quote me on that, but it's somewhere around there. 660. 660. Thank you. So 660 feet from the nest. The nest has been identified. I believe it has been active. And again, the mission was permitting requirement. The bald eagle used to be threatened and endangered. It has moved up the list. It's been healthy. Doing better. Yeah. So I believe it's a protected species now, and we are holding that offset for any construction or impacts.

If we encroach on that, there's another level of reporting we need to do, and actually, there's actually a take permit available if perhaps... for happenstance of the eagle would leave or not use the nest. So right now we are outside of the 660, so we really just need to monitor and there's no permit required.

Okay. So just for a perspective, the building is 900 feet long, but you're giving the eagles 660 feet from the building.

That is the permit required.

Yeah.

Okay.

I'm just... Again, for your perspective.

I'm not sure if it's from the building or from the surface. So we... It may be further from the building. I'd have to check that.

Could I ask that again next meeting, or could you provide that to me? I can follow up. Okay. Thank you. And one more question I'd like to ask the planning committee, and please let me know if it's inappropriate. We've learned a lot since last October. Not all of it good. We've learned that our ordinances are outdated and need to be updated and improved and better detailed. Whose responsibility in the township is it to do that?

That comes from the supervisors and directors. They decide when plans, when ordinances are to be upgraded and reviewed.

Okay. Well, there's a lot of them. So I think what I'm hearing you say is hold that question and ask it at the supervisors meeting.

Yeah.

Okay. All right. Thanks, guys.

Are you... Yes. So the 660 is we're not doing any work, disturbance, anything within that, and then there's probably another 150 feet to the nearest building. So in there, there's some parking lots, some fencing, some different features of the grading, the dam wall. But the 660 stops at our work-

Okay. So digging, blasting, excavating will be no closer than 660 feet to the nest. Correct.

And then within that gradient, again, that's currently a former one soil field. So we're gonna replant trees and kind of reforest around that nest. So we'll- Okay... we'll create a buffer to the nest.

My first response is I'm glad that you picked up on that and acknowledged that those birds are there. So thank you for acknowledging that. Thank you for your time.

Hi. I'm Pam Wenner. I live on Fieldstone Drive, and I found this super late. So in your renderings, you showed native plantings like trees in the one drawing, but they weren't on the berm. From what I heard tonight, that 12-foot berm is gonna stay there, and the trees are gonna go on top of it. Is that correct?

Correct. There will be trees on the front side of it and then also on top. Yes.

Okay. And you said native. It says native, so I take that literally. I'm a big earther, so I assume there'll be PA native plantings that you'll be planting all over the property and in the meadows.

Correct. So to clarify fully, the property is native. We're about 90% natives. There are 10% in the deviation there. We do have some arborvitae along the couple of the property edges and along some fence lines just because it's a very good screening. And we were requested by the ATC to, or here maybe, to put in some hemlock. Hemlock have some disease issues.

Yeah.

So I think we're now on Eastern white pine. We've switched about three times. But the majority of the site is native, except for a couple areas where we wanted to screen a little bit better.

Okay. And then I have just one more. Overall, I'm very concerned about the environment. I mean, when I go down Bernheisel Bridge and look at the property, it looks like a war zone to me. Yeah. And it makes me really sad. I'm glad that, to hear... I was gonna ask about the eagle. I know we lost some endangered plants, 'cause I read the environmental impact study. There were some specific endangered plants. Is there any plan to replace the ones that we lost?

So we didn't impact any of those. Okay. We identified them. They are in the study. They all are located along the creek in the floodplain- Mm-hmm... which we're not impacting. So they're there. We didn't specifically identify where they're at, per the request of DEP, because there are some people that go and harvest them, and- Mm-hmm... they wanted us not to draw attention to where they're actually at.

Right. Okay. I understand. And then is there gonna be any provisions for wildlife? I will tell you personally, and I live in the meadows, I've seen more dead wildlife- Like-... this summer. And I know some people don't care because, yes, the deer, they eat my hostas, they eat my plants too, and the groundhog and all that, but I definitely see more dead animals along the road. I've never had fox in my yard. I have a camera. I have fox that I know they live there, 'cause I used to see them playing there, and turkeys and stuff. Is there gonna be, like, birdhouses or any kind of provisions that you could do to encourage wildlife to stay in our area and not move to another wetland that we're never gonna see?

So the field as it was, was kind of soybeans and corn, which is not the best for wildlife.

Well, they lived there. I saw them. But the deer turned out great.

So the surrounding area that's undeveloped, again, we spoke a lot about this with the planning commission last fall. We are looking to put in pollinator grasses and food plot areas and really meadow grasses surrounding. So the entry to the campus, again, will be kind of more of a lawn, but the edges along the creek and behind the buildings is all gonna be very habitat friendly. It's funny you mentioned bird boxes. That is something that PTC has asked of us as well. So certainly- Mm-hmm. And hips... something that we're considering and-

And hips. And there's a lot of good organizations around here, PA Conservancy, Penn State Master Gardeners. There's a lot of organizations I know that would work with you and maybe even help. So I would encourage you to reach out to... I mean, Keystone Trails, they're gonna go in on, at the Scott Farm. They're gonna put an office, which is right across the creek from where the data center is. And now they're focusing on trails, but again- Right... environmentally conscious organizations in this area I'm sure would try to work with you to make it eco-friendly. So I would just strongly encourage that.

Thank you.

Okay. We have a little bit of a list, right, that I can keep track of for the meeting of information that we'll raise in the next meeting, particularly around the designs and some of the changes to the viewsheds, and some of the questions from the public. So I've written everything down, and then they should come back on the twenty-seventh with their answers to those issues. Hopefully, the new designs will reflect the issue raised.

A few quick clarification points, mostly from what the public brought up. The one concern I have dealing with what Ms. Darlington brought up is what... Do we have an estimate or any studies showing the effect of the process heat leaking from the facility? That's something that I don't remember seeing at this point, and it would be something I'm interested in seeing. Two was just, I'm not sure if I missed it or not. Lynn was asking about the planned wetland bank. Did we say if it... We think it was in the smaller Conodoguinet watershed or the larger Susquehanna? Yeah, we can clarify that.

Okay. It's just a quick clarification. And the third was what Mr. Beam brought up. I know you said in the future, reducing the berm from the eighteen or nineteen foot down to the proposed twelve. Could we... Will that be something that we can clarify, like, kind of like a time zone for that? Okay. Thank you. Okay.

Justin, do you have an as-built of that area? I

think he does.

You seem to send it to me.

Thanks.

Was there any discussion with the owners about what I said about soccer fields?

Yeah. Yeah. Not something that they want to decide right now. Right. But certainly they would definitely consider doing it. They'd like to be further along in construction- Right... which would be obviously several years down the road. Yeah. But there's obviously they're gonna be restricted to no attempt of mobilities or anything built on the site. So the request is reasonable. They just want some time to consider it, and it's gonna be one we want to do it. And I know, Wes, you did raise issues about the natural gas generators. The issue really from the technical perspective is that the natural gas generators are bigger, so it's a bigger yard itself and requires lots of storage of natural gas on the campus.

And they felt early on in the process those were two kind of non-starters from the township's perspective. So they designed around the diesel in tier four and- I'm sorry. Do you feel you would need storage rather than pipeline? That's what they said. So now UGI obviously built the facility not far, and obviously they'd love to have natural gas generators on the site. But I don't think that because of building a pipeline is viable. They have talked to them, UGI. I can verify they have had discussions about piping to the facility, and it didn't seem viable. It was gonna require storage.

Thank you. Questions from the council? Thank you. Thanks. Two weeks. Next item is TPF 26-14, discussion of possible acquisition of-

Can you

identify yourself for the record?

To identify? Yes. Sorry. Yep. Good evening. My name is Terry Hulo. I'm with Integr8 Consulting, and I'm here tonight representing Mr. Bob Franci or Diana White for me, over to the side, to just present the plan to you. This is a plan introduction. We have not received formal township review comments. We have received some county review comments and from PA Authority, but have not received Delaware Regional Authority or staff comments.

Right. This is just an introductory view item.

Sheetz store number one ninety-one for the public. Where is it actually located? Is this the one at Wolfs Bridge Road? It is, yes.

So this is Sheetz store one ninety-one. We're located at the intersection of Wolfs Bridge Road and Harrisburg Pike. So the purpose of this project is essentially that we are going to take everything from the right-of-way line of Wolfs Bridge Road, Wolfs Bridge Road, and Harrisburg Pike. It'll demolish everything from the right-of-way line into the site and build back with brand new. So this is a very similar project to the other rebuilds that have been going on in the area. Those were just completed too, and they're still going to be a very similar process if you're familiar with that one since it's fairly close by.

Sheetz will be introducing their six thousand one hundred and thirty-two square foot convenience store building. So this is the building that goes on the majority of the new site as well as all of the rebuilds.

So the whole building comes down.

Everything comes down. Yes. All the infrastructure comes down, even comes up. So all the old piping that was from the tank field, everything including the tank field, will be replaced with brand new.

Yes. There's also a car wash existing on the site. A new car wash will be put in its place. So there'll still be a single bay car wash that will be replaced with the existing. They're not losing any parking spaces or pumps, and the EV stations will also remain. So those are not going away as part of this project. We're also not introducing any additional EV stations at this point in time. In terms of utility coordination, there are obviously utilities out there today we'll be continuing services. Existing laterals from the right-of-way line or thereabouts into the site will all be replaced as well.

And then as part of our NPDES permit, we have to introduce some stormwater management infiltration and detention facilities to the site. Currently, for the store itself, there is not any subsurface facilities. There is a detention basin to the north along Wolf's Bridge Road. That detention basin, while owned by the same property owner, is actually a detention facility that is managing stormwater from the adjacent property, or not from the Sheetz property itself. So with our project, we have a 20% hit that we take in the existing impervious area that we have to manage per the township ordinances as well as the NPDES permit. So we're proposing two facilities for that.

So it'll be a stormwater detention facility in the north portion that's in the driveway access, adjacent to that stormwater system, detention basin to the north, and there's a small detention basin to the south as well. So those are the green areas that are shown on the south side of the site, and in the one to the north is the infiltration facility. So we're kind of breaking it up and discharging separately through the site, just because it's such a flat site that we had to get a little creative with where we needed to put things.

Hold up a second.

Yeah.

Zach, is there any plans to realign Wolf's Bridge with Harmony Road?

Nothing concrete at this moment.

So, and that did come up in the pre-construction meeting that we had, or the pre-application meeting with Mark Carpenter and Bud, with that potential change would happen. It would require a take of the property on the other side of Wolf's Bridge Road. So it didn't seem at the time, and they can certainly let me know if that's changed. We've not seen any plans personally, but it would require an additional right of way that we were aware of and thought would be required at the time.

Right. I know it's not gonna take from you, but then it's gonna create a... I didn't know if they're a year away from moving the road- Right... or six months. I

see what you're saying.

Whether you wanna help hold off or-

Yeah

... to-

Yeah. We...

We also did have that conversation about the existing driveway access and how close that would be to a potential realignment in case that timing were to be of essence. At that point in time, and Bud, you can certainly correct me if I misspeak, but it did appear that that would be impacted. Yes.

Now that we've been interrupted, let me continue. What is the red line?

That purple line, it's... Yeah, so that's just the property boundary, and I believe it might be a zoning boundary as well.

It's got a zoning in it. The zones, yeah.

So yeah, we're in the C-1 commercial

zone. But then didn't you say, above the driveway, there was a, up there, and that was for other properties?

It's on our property. It's an existing detention basin.

For you or other people?

For other people.

Other people.

All right. Maybe not.

Oh, okay.

I did a little bit of research, so I'm not 100% sure. I dug back and looked at some of the original plans for this site, and I believe, and I'll let you know- Yeah... as soon as I find out- Okay... that some of the original site drained into this detention basin.

Okay.

As soon as I find out, I will let you know. Okay.

All right. Our plan is to not continue discharging into it at this point in time. So if there is something that was satisfied in that basin, we would be looking to utilize that if it's capacity for our project. So you just wanna make yours completely independent of that.

Yes. Good. Good.

This is from Sylvie. Has it been there since 2008? Because on the plan there, 2008. Well, it's been there since probably before that, I think. Yeah, I was gonna say, it would've been, the original would've been there earlier. I think it was maybe- It must have been before. '97. Yeah, in the '90s. 1997. Yes.

Yeah. Don't think too hard about the date.

Been there a long time though. Yeah. Years ago, do you remember there was a karate shop there?

No.

There was an old building there, they gave karate lessons in it.

Do you have all your recommendations? No, no. We're just here to take any comments, any feedback. Again, we'll just-

So-... answer questions... having read all the comments from others- there was a letter here from the Gritty Consulting on June 19th that is looking for, well, I determine to be waivers.

Is that right?

Yes. We do have three.

Yeah, there will be waivers on there. Yeah. Yeah

I would struggle with the justification for waivers, and I don't think that the justifications documented are adequate. It may be convenient, but those are there for a reason. And when you think about it, even the current site, landscaping, I'm not aware of any landscaping there. I mean, I'd probably have to go over and look at it, but- Okay...

it's a pretty stark place. Around the bu... You're talking about- I'm talking about the site... the two landscaping waivers?

Well, there's three on here. Right. I'm just speaking of in general. And then some of the justifications are quite weak. You know, leaves of snow removal, litter accumulation-

Mm-hmm

It's very weak. So anyways- I under- That's the feedback. Sure. As well, the county called us out numerous things about our date of July 9th. Just recently, you probably didn't have time to respond to it yet. But you know, I think they raised some good points, each like, number one, your idea of setbacks. I don't know why we would go through violation of setbacks. They're there for a reason. And there were numerous items in there that, I mean, we got this a few hours ago. But I mean, they raised some good questions.

Understood.

Before recommending approval.

Understood.

Jim, where did you get that from this letter you were talking about? There you go. Just look one more.

One more.

Couple of times.

One more time.

Oh, yeah.

Right.

Yeah. So, I would also mention one other item, excuse me. Mm-hmm. I think in your redesign, there's been comment, probably comment made, in board of supervising meetings in the past about the traffic hazards that you have there. So you have a number of EV stations there. I think they're probably pretty good ones if I recall. You know, all charging stations are not equal, right? It's all about the power and the time it takes. But there's been numerous occasions the road's blocked because the way you flow traffic in there, people are waiting in line on the street and not getting off the street.

And I think it's your responsibility to encourage and have a staging area for them. So I would highlight that, as mentioned, well over a year ago. Up here coming off of here. Pardon? Turn up here on and off. The state, the charging? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But what happens is while those people are charging, other people are coming in off Wolf Ridge Road. Mm-hmm. Especially, and it's only about a three-car backup to the intersection. And so they're just waiting to turn in, and everything just backs up into the street.

Right. Okay. We can certainly take a look at that. I would say that the drive aisle thirty-six feet coming off of Wolf Ridge Road extends into the site pretty far before the EV charging stations or their current locations where the location will be in the developed condition. Maybe a hundred feet somewhere else.

No, I get that, but I'm giving personal experience. Sure. And that is cars in the street blocking traffic- Okay... waiting to come in there and charge. They're on the down line.

Understood.

Understood. Okay. So at this point, you're intending to leave the charging stations where they are now?

That's

right. Yes. Yes.

Jim, do you have any other

comments or sh- No. I'd rather review it. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Okay.

Understood. And to touch on the waivers, we did request a couple of waivers, one being the preliminary plan, and then the other two being landscape specific. The one, one of the two that was brought up relates to islands, raised landscape islands around the perimeter of the building. So we are showing those as flushed striped areas. Full disclosure, those, whenever they are grassed islands, become a trap for litter, debris, cigarette butts, things of that nature. That is the main reason, and Bob can speak more to that from an operations perspective and what that means to the employees at each of the stores more specifically.

But-

You forgot to mention dog droppings.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. We like to keep that along the perimeter, perimeter if necessary.

Do you have any weigh in on that, Bud?

Not right now. Do I understand from your request for the waiver that you just wanna submit and get approved, you know, on a preliminary, you know, total final?

That's correct. Yeah, we would submit as a preliminary final plan. The- That's fine.

Yeah, it's common.

Yeah, it's very common.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

So we will have any other questions for myself or Bob?

Yes. With all these plans this week, I was having a pretty real difficulty getting on and off my computer, especially with those- Understood. Yeah. The only thing I would add is, is

just see what you can do in response to Jim's comment about the EV stations. I know that they're now, I know it's convenient to leave them there, but just think about it a little bit and see if there's- Yeah... maybe another location for it.

We... And Bob can speak to that. I know we put some signage other places where there's things, so you can put the car wash if they do not go intersection or something to that effect. But- Yeah, they have

to coordinate with the company

sort of dictates- Oh, do they?... to us. Yeah. So they need so much space, and they sort of look at our site plans- Mm-hmm... and sort of, you know, we may say, "Hey, we would love you to put the charging stations here."

Yeah. And they'll say, "You know, that doesn't work for us." It doesn't work.

Yeah. Yeah, that in conjunction with these, the car vac, the shop vac, the vacuum- Those, those- Yeah... those- You got a lot of activity in there... yeah.

Right.

Those, the shop vacs and everything we can put into another spot.

Right. I was gonna say So, what are they- I think also possibly, again, it's not the charging stations themselves- Yes... it's the queue. It's the- It's the queue... queue, right? Yeah. And so if you had more signage in a different area, I mean, I know even that area between the pumps and, like, Oak Ridge Road- Yeah... that's a big open area. Yeah. Way enough room-wise. Yeah. I don't know. You guys can look at the staging on that. Put some thought into it. That would- Yep. You know?

Okay. Sort of like a holding area. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Signage. Yeah. It's not a holding area while you wait, right?

Are there any issues with having the EV charging stations in the public storage lot? If you put them all along the road there, it'll stop great work trucks.

We would have to get, again, we'd have to get the EV supplier to approve that location. It's a unique situation. Yeah. See what you can do.

Yeah. I just have a comment from a field leader, a supervisor. Very helpful if you present, like, the PAX-1 developers so we can see it, the residents can see it on a screen.

It's very hard to see this. Absolutely. You can blow it up and... So when you present in the future, it'd be really nice to have electronic version in front of the screen so the residents can see what's going on. Absolutely. Yes.

Yes. Thank you. I realize that capability was here. Yes, we will make sure that the screens are used next time. Thank you. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you all. Thanks for your time.

All right. TPF 26-15, discussion with possible recommendation, final subdivision plat, Cumberland Ridge 6, phase six. I don't know that the director was able to make it today.

I did submit an electronic copy this morning. It was on the screen. Fifty-one. I don't know who asked. Oh, I signed that Mark. Oh, Mark. Communications. Well, no, that was a couple weeks ago. Yeah, well. All right. Well, it's not a big deal. It's just the next phase of Cumberland Ridge 6, which we all familiar with. Nothing's changed from the preliminary. We're just moving ahead with, we've been doing phase six before phase five. And the reason for that, so on phase, the only difference from the preliminary plan, for phase six we're gonna do a temporary construction entrance off the North Middlesex Drive. That's-

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You are?

Well, I thought... Zach thought about it and-

Well, we need to have a discussion about that.

Oh, that's fine. And we did. I called you right after the meeting when I said-

We have to have a discussion about that.

Okay. I thought you got the report.

No. We briefly mentioned it. Okay. That's what... We have to have a discussion about that-

Okay, that's fine

... before I give my blessing.

Okay. That's news to me, but that's all good.

No, we talked, we discussed that. We discussed it, but there was no vote on it. You got no report from me on it, and I need the input. I'm the township engineer, I need to provide input. He has the right as a township manager as well. Well, that's- But we work together as a team.

That's fine. That's absolutely fine. All right. And sitting here talking, I just realized that I do have it, but it's on the ENs plan. I just had my pre-app meeting last week with them, and that's why I just thought we could explain it.

You had a meeting last week with who?

Conservation.

Pre-application. Thank you.

But anyway, that's the only difference from the preliminary plan. We were proposing to come off with a temporary entrance off the North Middlesex Drive to keep construction traffic from traveling on the recently completed street that was on phase four.

So phase four, you're not gonna pave phase four?

We're not doing the topcoat, so-

Are you doing the topcoat on phase two and three? Yes. And when are you going to be doing that?

This year.

Okay. So the binder, of course, will remain on phase four, which is fine. And Zach's been working with you, really trying to bend over backwards to work with you to make sure that that has about the maintenance issue. Okay. And I'll be perfectly honest with you. The reason for, from what I understand after the fact, of this extra access road out through North Middlesex Road is to prevent your construction traffic from damaging about 300 feet, potentially 300 feet of binder road. Now, that's 300 feet of phase four. So you as a developer, okay, you wanna develop that piece, phase six.

My personal opinion, unless I'm over... I respect Zach, unless I'm overridden by Zach, is that's a responsibility that you should bear as a developer rather than construct a separate road out onto North Middlesex Road.

Actually, to be honest with you, we don't need to do that- Then we won't do that... because we're not paving phase four. All right. It was... That was originally discussed, but then we decided not to do phase four. Got it. So we don't need the extra.

Good. You don't need the extra road?

Well, let me restate that. There are no differences between the approved plan- Okay... and now. Good. That was never changed from us. Good. We thought that's something you wanted. We thought it was something you wanted, that's why we were doing it.

At that time, I remember being at that meeting, that time, that... At that time, that thought came up. But we've been trying to get you to pave phases two and three, okay?

No. No. You weren't trying to get us to do phase two and three. We asked for that two years ago and we were shot down.

And you are still shot down unless Zach has presents something to the board supervisors to get you to pave phase two and three. Because there is a condition attached to phase three- Yeah... which requires that the entire road be paved the whole way out to North Middlesex Road. So that waiver that you got for the length of the street on phase three would have to be modified. So bottom line is, we want you to pave it. We're working with you to pave it, but we don't want a second road going out to North Middlesex Road.

That's the bottom line.

Oh, so we don't need-

Yeah, we won't want the road constructed.

And we only did that because we thought you wanted it. Yeah.

Well, it's more than a road, Dave. I think people in the audience, I've known Dave... Well, I taught him. I have. You did. I tell everybody I taught him everything that he knows. He gave me my first job. And I gave you your first job many, many years ago. So, that being said, I will have comments. And Dave's right, this is pretty much follows what's on the preliminary plan. If they stick to that, other than the phasing, changing, the flip-flopping, the phasing, I probably won't have any issues with this whatsoever. But I'll get with Zach tomorrow or the next day and we'll hash out this paving situation, as far as phase two and three.

And there are extenuating waivers that were granted with phase three approval that have to be somehow or other removed.

It's a technicality, but I think it's something that would have to be brought up to the board to waive that. So thank you for paving, for going to pave phase two and three.

Well, I'm going to pave phase two and three if you guys approve it and-

Well, we're working on it.

Correct. So there is a caveat if you guys approve it.

Well, we're trying to make that caveat in your favor. We're doing our best. Well- 'Cause we have residents who have lived out there for a couple years without the wearing course- And that's why-... and that's why Zach, in his good nature, is trying to get the road paved.

And we would appreciate that because we've wanted to do that for the last several years, so-

Well, and if I can say something also.

Definitely.

The school buses cannot come off Middlesex Road until

we get the top coat done that's dedicated to the township.

We know that. That-

That was all part of the conversation.

Well, and you know, there's been almost a few accidents out there. Kim Potter and the grandkids, people running red lights. So it's a safety concern as well. Oh, yeah. 100%. I understand.

So we'll see you in two weeks. Okay. Can we get in front of the PAX-1? Well, that depends. I thank you for your time anyway. We'll see what strings we can pull to put you to the front- Ha... PAX-1. That would be great and appreciated. Let me see what I got on me. It'd be great. Thank you. Yeah. Can I enter, It'll pass. The 10 items. It's not the whole thing, but your section in phase, you're in phase two. Your section in phase three. We're gonna do the whole thing. We'll do that next. What? You gonna do the whole thing at once or phase it?

Well, we're gonna do all of phase three- Two and five... and we'll allow that. So Zach has to work with them about snow removal- This is the snow removal because normally you have to have a place

to put the ground. It's not on the agenda. So

we're gonna look at

extenuating. This has a history. Well, we'll adjourn the meeting so Dave can ask to adjourn the meeting. There's a reason that she got herself into this mess. So you want me? I move. Adjourn.

Make a motion. I second. Well, and then- I second.

Yeah, yeah. He made- We adjourn the meeting... he's the road master.

He'll have to figure out a way. If he's-

All those in favor say aye. He's trying to do that. Opposed, nay. The meeting's adjourned. Now we can have the discussion, correct? Yeah. Bud, did you have a minute?

Wait, let me put my mask on because I don't want you to get what my wife and I have got.